The Best and Worst of Theo Epstein


Some call him a boy genius, some call him way overrated. He brought the first World Series pennant in 86 years to Boston in 2004, but some argue that the roster was largely still Dan Duquette’s, and that luck had a lot to do with it. He’s signed and drafted some really great talent, yet he’s also botched a few trades and some free agent signings. Does Theo indeed deserve a lot of credit for what he’s done, or is he just an average GM, as some believe?

Young Einstein?
On one hand, he is a smart stathead general manager, who graduated from Yale, holds a law degree, and was the youngest GM ever when he was hired at age 28 just a few years ago. His love of OPS and power arms is well known, and he hired noted sabermetrician Bill James to work for the Red Sox. The numbers tell him to go after young players in their prime (25-29 years old), and the generous payroll in Boston allows him to do it. It’s hard to argue with the results: the Red Sox have reached the playoffs every year except 2006 under his management, and they have gotten younger and deeper in the process. He negotiates hard, knows what he wants and gets it: case in point, he has been tracking Julio Lugo and J.D. Drew for years. He also targeted Edgar Renteria way before 2005. He surrounds himself with good baseball people, most recently Allard Baird, former GM of the Royals, and handles players well.

Overrated?
Yes, he’s been good, but working with the second highest payroll in baseball, he better be good. Who couldn’t build a good team if you can potentially grab the top free agent in any given year? Theo made some key contributions, but the 2004 World Champion team was largely in place when he got here. Theo and his team have caught some flak for being too aloof and businesslike, and have had some trouble dealing with certain GMs. He is perceived as a guy who always asks for too much in return, and because deals don’t go through, he likes “value” signings (translated: injury risks). There have been several other signings and trades that have left people scratching their heads. Matt Clement. Edgar Renteria. Chad Bradford. Many of these players failed miserably (which, to be fair, is easy to point out in retrospect). And he’s traded away a small contingent of players who seem to be flourishing elsewhere: Freddie Sanchez was the NL batting champ in 2006. Cla Meredith had a streak of 33.2 scoreless innings for the Padres in 2006. Josh Bard hit .333/.404/.522 for the Padres last year, too.

The Best Moves
David Ortiz, free agent. In 2003, the Twins had given up on the swing and miss slugger, but Epstein saw potential available at a bargain basement price. Five years later, Big Papi is competing for MVP honors in the Red Sox lineup.

Curt Schilling for Casey Fossum, Brandon Lyon, Jorge de la Rosa and Michael Goss. Ever hear of any of these guys? Didn’t think so. Schilling’s bloody sock was the battle cry of the victorious Red Sox in the 2004 ALCS.

Mark Loretta for Doug Mirabelli. Loretta started for the Sox and made the All-Star team, while Mirabelli was benched and eventually traded back to the Red Sox. You do the math.

The Worst Moves
Matt Clement, free agent. Clement’s great stuff attracted the Red Sox, but his 4 year, $40 million contract is still a big albatross. He’s not pitching now due to injury, but we’re not sure he want him to pitch for us, even if he could.

Edgar Renteria, free agent. The Sox could have re-signed Orlando Cabrera, but they paid big bucks for Renteria instead. Despite a fair year at the plate, his failings in the field and buckling under pressure made him a big scapegoat in Boston.

Doug Mirabelli for Cla Meredith and Josh Bard. After getting such a good deal for trading Mirabelli away, why would Theo pull the trigger on this one? This was a panic move for someone who could catch Tim Wakefield’s knuckleball. Meredith is setting records with scoreless inning streaks, and Bard’s bat appears to be coming around to complement his defensive skills.

Jeremy Giambi for Josh Hancock. Epstein traded a promising young pitcher for a guy who could get on base a little and was a trainwreck in the outfield. Giambi, supposedly in the best shape of his life, spent a lot of time on the DL and was shut down in August for the year. He was released after the season.

Jury’s Still Out
Wily Mo Pena for Bronson Arroyo. So far, Cincinnati has the better end of the bargain by a significant margin. But Pena has shown some potential, and may yet make this one worthwhile.

Coco Crisp, David Riske and Josh Bard for Andy Marte, Kelly Shoppach and Guillermo Mota. It’s tempting to say that Epstein and his staff botched this one, as Crisp has yet to do much in Boston. But I’m willing to put this deal here for now, because of his three good years in Cleveland before the trade and the injury.

Notes: Even though some people mock the Byung-Hyun Kim acquisition, there was a stretch where he performed very well when we needed a closer, and kept the season alive for us. The Josh Beckett deal took place during Theo’s brief hiatus in the 2005/2006 offseason, so he won’t be evaluated for that one.

Conclusion
My opinion? I think Theo is neither of these extremes, but that he’s something between his fans and his critics. He’s an above-average GM, but not one of the top minds in the game. I still like Billy Beane for that title. Still, he’s a great guy and he’s done a very good job so far. No GM goes through his career without making some mistakes that come back and bite him. That shouldn’t make you afraid to make moves. One problem he’ll face as he likes to get 25-29 year olds is managing the 40 man roster. It’s hard to maintain depth and not lose good players through waivers and the Rule 5 draft (we already lost Lenny DiNardo this off-season). With more experience, I don’t see why he can’t rise to greatness as a GM.

14 Responses to The Best and Worst of Theo Epstein

  1. firedannyainge says:

    He HELPED bring the World series to Boston.
    He was not the only one.

    As hot as Kenny DiNardo was I think calling him good could be a debate.lol

    I am torn on Theo. IMO he should have brought back the World Series team but since the title I have not been impressed. Time will only tell.

  2. donchoi says:

    Hey, thanks for your comments. Losing Lenny DiNardo is not a really big deal, but I am just pointing out that we will be hard pressed not to lose young, capable players for nothing in this type of system. They could otherwise be traded if we don’t want/need them…

    As for the Word Series team, Epstein is on record as saying that he thought the 2004 team was on its downside because of age, and I am generally inclined to agree with him. I don’t know if I would have changed out so many players so quickly, as so many faces changed that off-season, but in general I like his plan to get younger and deeper. Fewer injuries, better defense are a couple of the big pluses of that approach.

  3. firedannyainge says:

    I just want to point out that I know he is Lenny Dinardo not Kenny.lol That was a typo:)

    I agree about the age thing but when a team wins a world series it just doesn’t make sense to dump everyone but Tek.

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  5. donchoi says:

    I think it’s now safe to say that the Bronson Arroyo for Wily Mo Pena deal was a flop. We should be happy if we can get anything valuable for this marginal DH in outfielder’s clothing.

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  7. Steven M.Fanale says:

    If you want to remain World Champions then you should up the offer to Mike Lowell to four years at between 15-20 million dollars a year. Screw the brass! You have the money and you do need Mike Lowell at third base. Call him right now and make the deal. Look at this way we can pay it. Besides if you want to remain a the top then you better spend the money for the right people. I would in your shoes do it because with Mike Lowell you would not have your second world series ring on your hand. I STRONLY URGE YOU TO DO THIS! YOU WILL NOT BE SORRY YOU SPENT THE MONEY ON MIKE, HE WILL CONTINUE TO PRODUCE FOR YOU FOR MANY YEARS TO COME. SO SIGN HIM, THEO. IF YOU NEED TO CONTACT ME YOU CAN REACH ME AT MY HOME PHONE AT (978) 774-5744 OR ON MY CELL PHONE AT (978) 590-9810 AT ANYTIME. THANK YOU
    STEVEN M.FANALE

  8. Jim Penson says:

    Tell Theo not to deal Ellsbury for Santana…..he will be
    remembered as a fool is he does.Santana may or maynot
    be the best in the American League, but his ERA was in the
    threes’,he pitched in 33 games last year, and he was a
    overwhelming 15-13.In short,his name isn’t young Bob
    Gibson.Ellsbury is going to be a superstar…better then
    Damon and with loads of speed.

  9. redsoxtalk says:

    Jacoby Ellsbury will be a very good centerfielder, but Santana is a Hall of Fame pitcher if he stays healthy. I don’t think you necessarily lose out by making that deal. Santana had a higher ERA because of 28 HRs, but there’s nothing indicating that will happen again; Bill James projects him returning to his great numbers in 2008. That 15-13 record is darn impressive if you consider the lack of run support Santana had in 2007. If traded to Boston or NY, Santana will win 22-24 games next season.

  10. JJ Allen says:

    Santana will definitely win more games with the Sox.
    BUT here are the concerns:

    1. Santana gave up 28 HR and would have the Green Monster looming over him. At that rate, he could easily give up 35+ at Fenway. This could boost his ERA to over 3.50.
    2. He had a lackluster 2nd half.
    3. He will lock up TONS of money.

    I say keep driving the price up. Possibly leak rumors that the Sox MAY give up Lester and Ellsbury. And if the Yanks DO pull out of the trade race (which they will not) then go back to the original Lester/Coco deal with Masterson and Bowden. Keep Ellsbury and Lowrie. Force the Yanks to trade the farm. Force the Twins to decide on prospects not named Ellsbury or Bucchotz, or risk of losing him as a FA.

  11. redsoxtalk says:

    JJ, if we remove Lowrie from the deal (the Twins just traded their starting shortstop away), there will be no deal. Steinbrenner has already all but bowed out, and if we renege on our offers now, the Twins will cut off talks and keep Santana (or find a better deal somewhere else). Not to mention, good luck trading with other clubs after that fiasco. No, if the Twinkies like Lester, Crisp, Lowrie and Masterson, I say we do it. We have financial resources other teams don’t have, so we can afford it.

    The 28 HR was an aberration, check out his numbers at FanGraphs. Lefties are generally not good at Fenway, but you have to get hit to give up Monster shots. Plus, there are 81 games on the road to think about.

  12. redsoxtalk says:

    The always excellent MLB Trade Rumors now has a complete history of Epstein’s trades here:
    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/06/gm-trade-hist-1.html

  13. djpostl says:

    “Curt Schilling for Casey Fossum, Brandon Lyon, Jorge de la Rosa and Michael Goss. Ever hear of any of these guys? Didn’t think so. Schilling’s bloody sock was the battle cry of the victorious Red Sox in the 2004 ALCS.”

    This one cost the head of ‘Zona their job several years later when he tried to take an inferior offer for Randy Johnson over top of what the Yankees were offering. Can’t give Theo any credit for them taking an inferior deal (Yankees had offered Soriano, Nick Johnson and a minor leaguer) to simply spite the Yankees (and cutting their own nose off their face in the process)

    • redsoxtalk says:

      djpostl, I’ll agree with you that most of the fault lies with the Arizona GM at the time of the Schilling trade. But if he was willing to take so little back for a quality starter, where were the other 30 teams? You still have to give Theo some credit for being there and making the winning bid. That move changed Red Sox history.

      It is worth noting that since the time of my initial writing, Jorge de la Rosa has turned himself into a passable and sometime pretty decent starting pitcher in Colorado. And Fossum was a pretty highly-touted prospect at the time. But this was a clear Boston win.

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